A Fire Seven Times Hotter

And the herald proclaimed aloud, “You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace.” 1There are certain Jews whom you have appointed over the affairs of the province of Babylon: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. These men, O king, pay no attention to you; they do not serve your gods or worship the golden image that you have set up.” 19 Then Nebuchadnezzar was filled with fury, and the expression of his face was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. He ordered the furnace heated seven times more than it was usually heated. 22 Because the king’s order was urgent and the furnace overheated, the flame of the fire killed those men who took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.”  Daniel 3:4-6, 12, 19, 22

The temperature of this furnace is almost unfathomable as it was heated up seven times hotter than normal. To give you some points of reference, one can feel a burning feeling on their skin at 111 °F and will receive a first degree burn at 118 °F,  second degree burn at 131 °F.  At 140 °F, the pain receptors overload and become numb.  At 162 °F, human tissue is destroyed on contact.  And, for an extreme point of reference, bodies are cremated between 1400 – 1800 °F.  We see that the fire immediately killed the men who took Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego to the door of the fire.  Because of the properties of fires below, we know that the fire was at least 1,000 °F.   Can you even imagine the heat from this fire?  I would bet you could feel the heat hundreds of feet away from the door.  How amazing that the lives of these three were not only spared by Jesus within the furnace, but their flesh wasn’t even touched.  Jesus gave them an extreme fire retardant spray, to say the very least. 

Here are some other times the Lord talks about fire in the Bible (excluding the references to hell and the lake of fire).  Fire is used as an example of how we are purified & refined, how we can be afflicted & tried, and how we can receive judgement through fire.

  • “For my days pass away like smoke, and my bones burn like a furnace.”  Psalm 102:3
  • “The words of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in a furnace on the ground, purified seven times.”  Psalm 12:6
  • “Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tried you in the furnace of affliction.”  Isaiah 48:10
  • “As silver is melted in a furnace, so you shall be melted in the midst of it, and you shall know that I am the Lord; I have poured out my wrath upon you.””  Ezekiel 22:22
  • The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed[a] the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.”  Revelation 16:8-9

On a somewhat related note, I don’t normally cover the following types of things in my blog, but I feel like I need to evaluate all of these “forest” fires going on in California and some oddities that I and many others see with these fires.

“For nothing is hidden, except to be revealed; nor has anything been secret, but that it would come to light.”  Mark 4:22

These are not normal forest fires as we have been used to for centuries.  So, let’s talk about the properties of fire and heat.

Campfires 101:

If you start an open campfire, it can get up to 930 °F, so that’s pretty hot and will, of course, fry you instantly.  Silver melts at 960 °F, so it might be possible to melt silver in a super hot, larger campfire.  But, an open campfire cannot melt aluminum, such as your car, as its melting point is 1,221 °F, nor can it melt common glass which is about 2,600 °F or stainless steel appliances at about 2,800 °F.   What about if your campfire gets out of control, spreads to the forest surrounding you, and starts a massive forest fire?  How hot can that get?

Forest Fires 101:

From wildfiretoday.com…

“The flash point, or the temperature at which wood will burst into flame, is 572°F,”  & then,

“An average surface fire on the forest floor might have flames reaching 1 metre in height and can reach temperatures of 1,472°F or more. Under extreme conditions a fire can give off 10,000 kilowatts or more per metre of fire front. This would mean flame heights of 50 metres or more and flame temperatures exceeding 2,192°F.”

From Wikipedia…

“First, wood is dried as water is vaporized at a temperature of 212 °F. Next, the pyrolysis of wood at 450 °F releases flammable gases. Finally, wood can smoulder at 720 °F or, when heated sufficiently, ignite at 1,000 °F.  Even before the flames of a wildfire arrive at a particular location, heat transfer from the wildfire front warms the air to 1,470 °F.

If we want to increase the temperatures even hotter than a wildfire, we would need to enclose the fire within a kiln or furnace, such as what King Nebuchadnezzar threw our three guys in (or add chemicals).   However, most kilns can only get anywhere from 1,800 – 2,400 °F.  If they get much hotter, they will start to even melt brick, which melts at about 2,700 °F.  But, on a side note, normally bricks will not burn in a normal oxygen fire, but would require a stronger substance such as Flourine to cause bricks to catch fire.

Melting & Boiling Points of Common Metals 101:

Here’s another useful fact about car tires from sciencing.com:  If you put a rubber tire in a furnace – even a hot one – it won’t melt. The tires are vulcanized, which means they’ve been through a process that combines the rubber molecules with carbon and other elements to prevent them from oxidizing, or burning. It’s why hot rodders can “burn rubber” without setting anything on fire. The conventional way to recycle tires is to freeze them and pound them into tiny pieces, but the rubber industry has developed a method to extract rubber from tires using heat. The process is done completely without oxygen.”

There is no actual melting point for rubber tires, although they can be softened by super heating. Tires are typically recycled by shredding, freezing and shattering them into tiny particles for use in creating other useful items.

Some oddities of the fall California fires:

Have you noticed anything odd about the photos of the California fires near Santa Rosas?  I know I have.  Here’s a couple of quick articles:

Here are some things I notice about these pictures, and others that I have seen.  We just discussed the melting points of various items above and how hot a forest fire gets fueled by oxygen.  With all this in mind, I see that

  1. The fires shown burning are burning from the inside out, not from one side to the other as would happen if the fire overtook them by the fire outside.
  2. Trees ignite to total flames at 1,000 °F, and is more flammable than a house due to the various other materials used.  And, pines are even more flammable, yet we see that total houses are destroyed without any structure remaining, yet we have trees, even pines & bushes, just feet away that are untouched and still have leaves.
  3. The cars shown looks like they’ve been through a war zone.  Rubber tires do not melt, but can get soft, as shown above, yet all of these tires have somehow disappeared.  Plus, we see that the aluminum structure of the cars have not only melted on the street, but they have been bent as if hit.  We also see absolutely no glass in the vehicles, which has the highest melting point and doesn’t melt until 2,400 °F, well above a normal forest fire of 1,500-2,100 °F.  And, oddly, we can even see plastic garbage bins out on the street just fine right next to a totally demolished car.
  4. Many people, sadly, lost their lives trapped in their homes.  For most house fires, after the fire ceases, emergency services will be able to find bodies, yet there are no bodies in these homes as they’ve been turned to complete ash.
  5. We can see ‘spot hits’ to houses on a block where some were engulfed in the “forest fire” yet the very next house was completely fine.

Here’s what a house normally looks like after a fire has went through it.  The structure is somewhat still in tact.

And another, normal house fire

So, with all of the questions, we might even have more questions about how these fires were started and what the chemical makeup of the fires actually was.  There were many eye witness reports about seeing blue sparks in the air just prior to all of the fires starting at once in the middle of the night, and it would seem from the war zone look of the aftermath, that some kind of additional chemical catalyst was used somehow in these fires as most of the materials damaged and melted in these fires cannot be melted at the temperatures of a normal forest fire.

And, how are these hit and miss fires?  The fire seems to jump from the forest over miles and hits certain buildings, but yet everything up to them isn’t hit.  And, the fires are burning from the inside out, not from the outside in as would be with a forest fire.

Weird, jumping fires…

More forest fire drone videos where trees are miraculously skipped but entire houses are demolished.

So, was some type of chemical used in these fires?  I happened to come across the chemical, Flourine, and noticed some interesting properties about it.

“A very pale yellow-green, dangerously reactive gas. It is the most reactive of all the elements and quickly attacks all metals. Steel wool bursts into flames when exposed to fluorine. There was no commercial production of fluorine until the Second World War, when the development of the atom bomb, and other nuclear energy projects, made it necessary to produce large quantities. Before this, fluorine salts, known as fluorides, were for a long time used in welding and for frosting glass. The element is used to make uranium hexafluoride, needed by the nuclear power industry to separate uranium isotopes. It is also used to make sulfur hexafluoride, the insulating gas for high-power electricity transformers. In fact, fluorine is used in many fluorochemicals, including solvents and high-temperature plastics, such as Teflon (poly(tetrafluoroethene), PTFE). Teflon is well known for its non-stick properties and is used in frying pans. It is also used for cable insulation, for plumber’s tape and as the basis of Gore-Tex® (used in waterproof shoes and clothing). Hydrofluoric acid is used for etching the glass of light bulbs and in similar applications. CFCs (chloro-fluoro-carbons) were once used as aerosol propellants, refrigerants and for ‘blowing’ expanded polystyrene. However, their inertness meant that, once in the atmosphere, they diffused into the stratosphere and destroyed the Earth’s ozone layer. They are now banned.””, 

…or this chemical, chlorine triflouide, which is really scary, but also starts stuff on fire that doesn’t normally burn.

Sometimes, it’s good for us to question what is going on in the world around us so that we are not living in the dark.  And, to mostly lift up this type of thing in prayer.  Only the Lord has a full handle on what is going on and we ask for His help with the people who have been displaced by these fires and we ask for His help in bringing reasons to light so that these type of things do not continue to keep happening.  Our hearts cry out to those who have been affected by such devastation.

“For nothing is hidden, except to be revealed; nor has anything been secret, but that it would come to light.”  Mark 4:22